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From: [e-mail] (Paul C Leyland)
Subject: Announcing pgptalk
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Date: 12 Feb 1994 14:09:55 GMT
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Ok, time to let this out, now that it's been discovered 8-)

Last year, Miron Cuperman, Stefan Neuhaus and myself did some work on
a version of ytalk with encrypted traffic between the talkers.  Miron
did most of the hard work; Stefan and I tested and debugged.  We were
just about to release it when ytalk 3.0 came out.  Since then, no-one
has found the week or so to update the version we had built on the
previous version.

Anyway, if you use anon-ftp to download the file

    black.ox.ac.uk: /src/security/pgptalk.2.0.tar.Z

you might find something of interest.

The program will work in cleartext mode (i.e. native ytalk),
shared-secret mode (all parties must type the same password) or
public-key mode (all parties must be running pgp with accessible key
rings), in which case a random IDEA session key is generated and
swapped by Diffie-Hellman.


Paul
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From: [e-mail] (Eaco + Associates)
Subject: PGP Legal?
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Summary: What is the legal status of pgp?  Is it legal to own, use?
Keywords: pgp pretty good privacy cypt nsa
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    I'm new to this newsgroup, and would like to know what the legal
status of PGP is.  Is it legal to use?... own?

    I saw the writeup in CompuServe's magazine this summer, but they
pulled their copy off the system... what's the story?

    Thanks,
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                Regards,
                >>Dick<<

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From: [e-mail] (David Sternlight)
Subject: Re: PGP Legal?
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Keywords: pgp pretty good privacy cypt nsa
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Eaco + Associates <[e-mail]> wrote:
>    I'm new to this newsgroup, and would like to know what the legal
>status of PGP is.  Is it legal to use?... own?

In the U.S., there is a commercial version called ViaCrypt PGP, which so far
is only available in a DOS version. As far as anyone knows that's legal for
ownership and use in the U.S. but not for export without a Government export
license (not to be confused with a patent license from the patent holders).

Other versions of PGP are asserted to be an infringement of the patents of
MIT and Stanford held by Public Key Partners, in the U.S. They are also
illegal to export without an export license. The company making ViaCrypt PGP
has got a license from the patent holders but not an export license from the
government.

Outside the U.S. the PKP patents aren't valid (unless the new GATT agreement
changes this), and thus they are legal where national law permits them.
However, there is apparently a federal Grand Jury investigation about just
how they got outside the U.S. and whether there were any violations of U.S.
law here as part of that. This might affect some inside the U.S.

--
David Sternlight       If you want to get somewhere, it's easier to move
                    your sail than to try to change the wind.


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From: [e-mail] (Grady Ward)
Subject: Re: PGP Legal?
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I have been advised by two patent attorneys that it is perfectly
valid and legal to obtain, give away, and study the PGP source code.

Fetch it from nic.funet.fi and a host of other sites.

Crypto political issues ought to go to talk.politics.crypto,
crypto technical and application issues go here; flames about
Sternlight disinformation go to alt.fan.david-sternlight.

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From: [e-mail] (Jason Burrell)
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Subject: Re: PGP Legal?
Keywords: pgp pretty good privacy cypt nsa
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[e-mail] (Eaco + Associates) writes:

>
>     I'm new to this newsgroup, and would like to know what the legal
> status of PGP is.  Is it legal to use?... own?
>
>     I saw the writeup in CompuServe's magazine this summer, but they
> pulled their copy off the system... what's the story?
>
>     Thanks,

Its legal to use and own. Its NOT legal to transport it from the United
States of America to a country outside the US border. In other words, do
not export it from the U.S.

RSA and PKP have a patent on the RSA algorithm, which is the public key
cryptosystem used in PGP. IDEA is patented by an organization in Europe,
I believe. RSA and PKP has virtually scared most US sites from carrying
the cryptography software that uses their "patented algorithm."

Another reason most US sites do not carry PGP/Secure Drive/et cetera
is because of the export restrictions. When Phil originally wrote PGP, he
placed it on a New Mexico site. Not long after, it was FTP'ed from a site
out of the US. Result: It spread worldwide and the government tried to
get Phil.

Moral: You'll be better off *NOT* exporting it from the US (I know you
didn't bring that up), and you'll be better off grabbing it from
nic.funet.fi or equivelent.




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From: [e-mail] (Paul C Leyland)
Subject: Re: PGP Legal?
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In-reply-to: [e-mail]'s message of Sun, 13 Feb 1994 01:39:14 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Grady Ward) writes:

   Crypto political issues ought to go to talk.politics.crypto,
   crypto technical and application issues go here; flames about
   Sternlight disinformation go to alt.fan.david-sternlight.

The post by David Sternlight to which you are responding is a model of
an informative article and dispassionate description of a subject
which raises fervent discussion.

While your comments about flames is, IMO, accurate and helpful, it might be
regarded as provocative in